Hi Folks,

I’ve recently got myself my second pair of ski’s. These are my first pair of ‘good’ ski’s.

So, i have myself a pair of Black Diamond warrant ski’s without bindings. Im thinking, what bindings to get for them ? These are not my touring ski’s. Though Quiver killers look interesting. Do these allow me to change my alpine bindings for touring bindings easily ? that seems to be the point.

Any pointers or info would be great.
Thanks
Dave

I’ve never used quiver killers myself but I imagine you are looking at 30 minutes to change out a pair of bindings. Depends what you call easily? Why not get some Dukes or bindings of that type for them? Then you have the choice to do a bit of climbing if you want to?

http://www.wildsnow.com/3853/quiver-killer-binding-mount-inserts/

and

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/214919-Binding-Insert-Advice-Quiver-Killer-v-BindingFreedom

Though I have never come across them myself.

davidof - 12 April 2013 09:44 AM

I’ve never used quiver killers myself but I imagine you are looking at 30 minutes to change out a pair of bindings. Depends what you call easily? Why not get some Dukes or bindings of that type for them? Then you have the choice to do a bit of climbing if you want to?

I would heartily endorse quiver killers, or similar; I have 2 pairs of skis, both with quiver killers, and 1 pair of Marker Barons. I can change the pair of bindings over in under 10 minutes, just buy a good quality screwdriver.  It costs about £20 for the quiver killers per pair of skis, in the UK bought from Jon’s Ski Tuning http://www.jonsskituning.co.uk Mounting templates are easily available from quiver killer website or TGR - as with most things measure twice drill once....

I think the Marker touring bindings are particularly suited to this system because the rear mount is essentially just a rail, so the front section carrying the whole boot mount, does not click into it rather it fits around it, compared I think to Fritchis, and you do not have the issue of boot critical measurement as with dynafit: therefore you have a bit of latitude with the installation - Obviously this is not a substitute for poor workmanship!

Silly question from somebody who has never owned skis with true alpine-downhill-only bindings . . .

Why set up a pair of skis so they can take both a alpine-touring binding like Marker Dukes with quasi-Alpine-downhill release capability, and a true alpine-downhill-only binding?

I would have thought the main point of purchasing Marker Dukes was to avoid the need for a true downhill-only binding.

On the other hand, it’s easy for me to see why might want to switch easily between between downhill-only and a light Dynafit-compatible.
(or in Lou Dawson’s case, since he does lots of testing for WildSnow.com of many different skis and different bindings, I do see why he’d want to swap just Dynafit-compatible bindings)

Ken

Thanks for the info people, much appreciated.

My reason for using quiver killers is to basically to reduce costs. I have one good set of ski’s (Black Diamond Warrant). I think they would be good for touring as well as downhill / off-piste.

So My thought was to have the fittings for alpine only bindings, and some light weight touring bindings.

I wasnt expecting to be able to do ‘in the field’ changing of bindings. More likely do a day or two of off piste with alpine bindings, then maybe a few days of touring, and change over the bindings in the evening.

I’ll be having a look at the links.

Cheers
Dave

I suppose the only other thing (after deciding) is to find an installer, there is no way im taking a drill to my new ski’s!!!!

Any ideas for installers in the UK (or chamonix i suppose).

Thanks
Dave

Installers in the UK include the above-mentioned Jon’s Ski Tuning http://www.jonsskituning.co.uk (Nottingham-ish), and Edge&Wax http://www.edgeandwax.co.uk/ (Horsham-ish, Sussex).

I have quiver killers on a couple of pairs of skis so I can switch between dynafits and telemarks. They work fine, it take a few minutes to switch the bindings.

thinks for nice post